president bill clinton famously talked about repairing the breach. president george w. bush talked about being a uniter and not a divider and president barack obama would be post partisan and reach across. and all three have -- breaking the fever and all three have either succumbed to the fever or been trapped by the fever or -- >> fed the fever. >> fed the fever, exactly. and become very polarizing figures in washington. gwen: time for one more thought. >> the real reason is there are so few districts now, redistricting that was done by computer, not done by political parties across the country, that is the way to break the fever to change the makeup of congress. you're seeing it in california and iowa now. if other states across the country start changing how they redistrict, i think that could break the fever. but don't look for it next year. gwen: that's the final thought but one more for you. do you see the fever breaking? in 2014? >> not in 2014. no. gwen: well, that's optimistic. a way to end it. thank you for your questions and answers and thank you for your que